A very interesting subjects, self-development, behavior change, and well success or failure.
I tend to disagree with von Goethe's quote. Simply treat other's as you would want to be treated. But does this result in behavior change and self development in the individual is a crap shoot. JMHO
Changing behavior has a few things always need to be looked into. It can be a long term learning process. For instance, to develop ones self physically is there a reason the individual is not training? First up, does the individual understand the training program they are undertaking? Dan John had an interesting statement once. "The person who trains themselves has an idiot for a client". Do you really understand what the program is for and how to implement it and follow it. Think of the number of folks who hit the road or treadmill everyday, hit it as hard as they can each day but yet never see any noticeable change.
Another issue, is the program doable? Will the person with a job, family, and other factors be able to do the program? Think of it as a work rule. Why are our employees not performing a process like it's written? Is it too hard? Is there a better way to perform the process/task? Could the individual see better results and stick with the program 3 days per week rather than 5?
Next is there gratification? Who doesn't feel gratified by completing their daily physical training? This may last for a period of time, maybe 30 days, maybe 3 years, who knows. At some point "most" of us will want to hear some positive reinforcement from someone else. Some may not need this and may do well training themselves. Others may only need the trainer as a sounding board for what's going right.
This brings us to the Eisenstein quote. This is much easier in a stress free world. But since none of us or very few do, is that truly what it takes? Is it only self-remembering; no forcing or fighting is necessary. Or is it self control, which is always in a limited quantity? Does self control eventually lead to "self-remembering"? Maybe, but are any of the things mentioned above interfering with this?
Self development is hard work. It gets harder as we grow older and have developed habits (self-remembering) that we developed decades ago. Take the individual from above who is running everyday but isn't seeing the development that they'd hoped for. They began their journey when it was thought that you simply bought a pair of running shoes and started putting in the work. Very little change in diet. Strength training was thought to be counter-productive. You didn't have a trainer and no pain no gain is the mantra.
Self development can take a long time. Sometimes our goals change and we become distracted from the original goal. The goal may seem so far off that this thing call discipline becomes something that is hard to lean on. So what do you do? Don't simply focus on the goal, focus on the journey and enjoy the journey. JMHO
I think your reply shows how much more educated you are than I. Particularly in regard to the newest thoughts on behavior change.
Without re-reading my reply and trying to make this not a volume of thought I agree with you completely. I didn't mean to say that we shouldn't allow for and applaud change in others. But I have found at least for myself that first impressions DO mean something.
I worked with a former prison guard once. I questioned him on this subject and on prison reform. His answer was very insightful. Basically if you have an individual who was treated as an animal growing up, then treat them as an animal in prison it's not fair to release that animal onto the public. For more than we know our system works and for the few it doesn't and they go back into the system.
Your relationship with Marika is much like mine with my wife Rhonda. We've been married 41 yr. in a few weeks. But we too are exact opposites. She has little interest in sports and just a bit of interest in the outdoors. She's not a woman you will see in a hunting publication with pink camo holding her weapon over her quarry. When we first met many years ago she told me, "you're not someone I would have dated in High School. Only because you were a jock." I find it interesting sometimes in seeing those differences in both Rhonda and I in our children.
As I wrote about self-remembering I recall thinking that both are most likely talking about the same thing to an extent. Are we developing a habit, self-remembering, or have we just developed more will power.
I could go on, I think basically I'm just more pessimistic than you are. Just a difference in ourselves. I haven't and will not mean to pushback here as a means to say I know more. I don't, and at least that is one thing I'm sure of. Most of the things I've reply to at IHD have been in an attempt to simply say but what if we think about it differently. Thanks
A very interesting subjects, self-development, behavior change, and well success or failure.
I tend to disagree with von Goethe's quote. Simply treat other's as you would want to be treated. But does this result in behavior change and self development in the individual is a crap shoot. JMHO
Changing behavior has a few things always need to be looked into. It can be a long term learning process. For instance, to develop ones self physically is there a reason the individual is not training? First up, does the individual understand the training program they are undertaking? Dan John had an interesting statement once. "The person who trains themselves has an idiot for a client". Do you really understand what the program is for and how to implement it and follow it. Think of the number of folks who hit the road or treadmill everyday, hit it as hard as they can each day but yet never see any noticeable change.
Another issue, is the program doable? Will the person with a job, family, and other factors be able to do the program? Think of it as a work rule. Why are our employees not performing a process like it's written? Is it too hard? Is there a better way to perform the process/task? Could the individual see better results and stick with the program 3 days per week rather than 5?
Next is there gratification? Who doesn't feel gratified by completing their daily physical training? This may last for a period of time, maybe 30 days, maybe 3 years, who knows. At some point "most" of us will want to hear some positive reinforcement from someone else. Some may not need this and may do well training themselves. Others may only need the trainer as a sounding board for what's going right.
This brings us to the Eisenstein quote. This is much easier in a stress free world. But since none of us or very few do, is that truly what it takes? Is it only self-remembering; no forcing or fighting is necessary. Or is it self control, which is always in a limited quantity? Does self control eventually lead to "self-remembering"? Maybe, but are any of the things mentioned above interfering with this?
Self development is hard work. It gets harder as we grow older and have developed habits (self-remembering) that we developed decades ago. Take the individual from above who is running everyday but isn't seeing the development that they'd hoped for. They began their journey when it was thought that you simply bought a pair of running shoes and started putting in the work. Very little change in diet. Strength training was thought to be counter-productive. You didn't have a trainer and no pain no gain is the mantra.
Self development can take a long time. Sometimes our goals change and we become distracted from the original goal. The goal may seem so far off that this thing call discipline becomes something that is hard to lean on. So what do you do? Don't simply focus on the goal, focus on the journey and enjoy the journey. JMHO
I think your reply shows how much more educated you are than I. Particularly in regard to the newest thoughts on behavior change.
Without re-reading my reply and trying to make this not a volume of thought I agree with you completely. I didn't mean to say that we shouldn't allow for and applaud change in others. But I have found at least for myself that first impressions DO mean something.
I worked with a former prison guard once. I questioned him on this subject and on prison reform. His answer was very insightful. Basically if you have an individual who was treated as an animal growing up, then treat them as an animal in prison it's not fair to release that animal onto the public. For more than we know our system works and for the few it doesn't and they go back into the system.
Your relationship with Marika is much like mine with my wife Rhonda. We've been married 41 yr. in a few weeks. But we too are exact opposites. She has little interest in sports and just a bit of interest in the outdoors. She's not a woman you will see in a hunting publication with pink camo holding her weapon over her quarry. When we first met many years ago she told me, "you're not someone I would have dated in High School. Only because you were a jock." I find it interesting sometimes in seeing those differences in both Rhonda and I in our children.
As I wrote about self-remembering I recall thinking that both are most likely talking about the same thing to an extent. Are we developing a habit, self-remembering, or have we just developed more will power.
I could go on, I think basically I'm just more pessimistic than you are. Just a difference in ourselves. I haven't and will not mean to pushback here as a means to say I know more. I don't, and at least that is one thing I'm sure of. Most of the things I've reply to at IHD have been in an attempt to simply say but what if we think about it differently. Thanks